neue fische

 „Definitiv nicht zu empfehlen."

So etwas Schlechtes habe ich noch nie erlebt! Auf dem Papier klingt alles perfekt – in der Realität ist es jedoch das Gegenteil. Man fühlt sich regelrecht verarscht. Und das für 16.000 € pro Person! Der Start und der erste Teil (z. B. das Einrichten von Tools wie VS Code oder Git Bash) waren noch sehr gut, sodass man große Hoffnungen hatte, wie es weitergehen würde. Doch danach kam nichts mehr – die Qualität wurde von Tag zu Tag schlechter.Beispiel:

• Um 10 Uhr Treffen im virtuellen Klassenzimmer
• 5 Minuten warten, bis alle da sind
• Danach 10 Minuten „Lektüre“: Die sogenannte Coachin hat lediglich ihre Präsentation zu einem komplett neuen und komplexen Thema vorgelesen
• Ab 10:15 Uhr hieß es dann nur noch „Self Learning“ – und bei Fragen könne man sich um 16 Uhr ins Online-Meeting einwählen

Mehrere Teilnehmer haben sich im Chat beschwert, dass das Thema völlig neu sei und man mehr begleitete Zusammenarbeit brauche. Außerdem sei Vorlesen kein „Teaching“. Die Reaktion der Trainerin darauf war wörtlich:
 „That is rude. You should learn how to respect other colleagues if you want to be successful in your job. You are not allowed to be rude!“ Es gibt zwar einzelne Coaches, die wirklich gut und hilfsbereit sind. Aber das gesamte Konzept lässt insgesamt viel zu wünschen übrig. Read less

In 2023, I attended a 12-week online UX/UI Bootcamp. Unfortunately, Neue Fische was a bad choice. They seem to prioritize acquiring new students and generating more revenue.
What was good about it:

• The coaches were friendly.
• They provided MacBooks for students during the bootcamp.
• The pace was challenging.

What I didn't like:

• There was far too little personal feedback, which should be a significant part of such a bootcamp. Otherwise, you could take courses on other platforms.
• After finishing the capstone project, you don’t receive ANY FEEDBACK.
• During the capstone phase, it was possible to sign up for consultations with coaches, but there were not enough slots for everyone.
• For one small project, we waited more than a week for feedback and received only a simple checklist without any detailed comments.
• They advertise 12 weeks of bootcamp, but in reality, it's only 9 weeks. During the last 3 weeks, you work alone on your capstone project without any lectures.
• The first 30 minutes of every morning were spent alone without coaches. It was supposed to be a time to discuss our problems/questions among ourselves. Then, we spent the next 15–30 minutes with coaches discussing the day's plan and playing some team-building games.
• The career service is not helpful, as there are only a few companies available.
• The partner companies are not helpful either.
• The graduation event is just for fun; nobody will pick you up.
• Our head coach was on holiday during the first 2 weeks.
• Sometimes, when you had questions, coaches didn’t want to help and suggested asking other participants for assistance.
• The coaches were not up to date with all the new features in Figma, so I had to watch YouTube tutorials.
• I don’t know how they claim to have a high employment rate after bootcamps because nobody contacted me afterward to inquire if I got a job.

I HIGHLY DO NOT RECOMMEND THE UX/UI BOOTCAMP if you're aiming to secure a job in this field.
You would be better off investing your money in courses on Coursera or Udemy. Read less

Nachdem ich das Web Development Bootcamp 2019 erfolgreich abgeschlossen habe, muss ich leider sagen, dass die Webseite und die HR-Managerin nicht wirklich die versprochenen Jobs oder das Gehalt geliefert haben, mit dem Neue Fische wirbt. Anfangs hat das Bootcamp einen guten Eindruck hinterlassen, aber nach und nach wurde klar, dass es unrealistisch ist, innerhalb von 3 Monaten zum Webentwickler ausgebildet zu werden.

Leider sind auch die Coaches negativ aufgefallen. Einige von ihnen schienen nicht ausreichend qualifiziert zu sein oder waren oft abwesend. Obwohl die Coaches nett wirkten, konnten sie die Lehrinhalte nicht immer optimal vermitteln. Manchmal führten sie auch unprofessionelle Gespräche über andere Teilnehmer und deren Leistungen.

Ursprünglich wurde uns versichert, dass wir uns um Jobs keine Sorgen machen müssen und während des Bootcamps viele Angebote erhalten würden. Doch bei der Abschlussfeier waren nur 2 Unternehmen anwesend. Trotz meiner guten Leistungen hatte auch ich Schwierigkeiten, eine passende Stelle zu finden. Als ich die HR-Abteilung und die Gründerin nach potenziellen Partnerunternehmen fragte, um mich direkt zu bewerben, wurde mir mitgeteilt, dass aktuell keine Neueinstellungen geplant sind.

Die versprochene Unterstützung bei der Jobsuche wurde nie geliefert. Viele meiner Mitabsolventen und ich stellten fest, dass der Bootcamp-Abschluss von den meisten Unternehmen nicht anerkannt wird und wenig Interesse am Markt besteht. Die Gehaltsvorstellungen der Schule unterschieden sich stark von der Realität. Ein Partnerunternehmen sagte mir, dass Einstiegsgehälter von 40-50.000 € unrealistisch sind.

Viele meiner Mitabsolventen, die Jobs fanden, wurden während der Probezeit entlassen und arbeiten nun in anderen Branchen. Meiner Meinung nach ist Neue Fische eine Täuschung. Das Unternehmen zeigt sich nach außen hin gut organisiert, aber in Wirklichkeit sieht es anders aus. Mein Erfolg nach einem Jahr verdanke ich nicht Neue Fische, sondern den Online-Kursen auf Codecademy und Udemy, die ich nach dem Abschluss gemacht habe.

Das Abschlussprojekt wurde nicht ordentlich überprüft, und viele hatten fehlerhaften Code. Daher habe ich mich damit nicht beworben. Erst nachdem ich meine eigene App und Website erstellt hatte, wurde meine Bewerbung ernst genommen. Die 8000€ für das Bootcamp hätten mir erspart werden können. Read less

The Course Content was good, and the Lecturers highly attentive. That's all the positives I can say. The course is very expensive if the employment office don't pay for you, so don't bother paying for it with your own money. You would be better off investing 10% of that into coursera or udemy courses. 

Something that makes me bitter about the course is the marketing about partner companies and high employment rates after the bootcamps. 
 Firstly, the partnerships are nothing more than a contact with an HR representative. The careers services personnel are incompetent and the only thing they can actually do is slow down your application process. Just apply directly to companies because you won't receive any better service with the careers team. I recommend they are all fired. My normal experience with recruitment personnel is that they are trying desperately to find you a job so that they get their commission. With Neue Fische staff, it took [name redacted] 2 months just to reply to an interest I had in a partner company. And the reply was just to say they were no longer taking applicants, even though the partner had open positions or their website. 
 Then with regards to the "high employment rate". What they fail to mention is that those employment rates have nothing to do with the course. 90% employment rates after the bootcamp? but they fail to mention that those people could be getting jobs as baristas. I finished my course 4 months ago and not a single student has been able to get a Data Science job.
 The careers services team also give absolutely no guidance on how you could improve yourself after the bootcamp, to make yourself more sellable to companies. But why would you expect them to?? I've already explained why they are nothing more than a money drain to the Neue Fische scam to bleed money from the employment office.

So Highlights. DON'T PAY WITH YOUR OWN MONEY, DON'T EXPECT A JOB. Either do a university degree or some cheap online courses. Read less

I did a Remote Data Analytics course, It cost 12000 Euro, Instructers are okay, but you can learn much better on many online plateforms, 
The main thing you will choose a bootcamp this costly is to get a job afterwards, there are hardly just 2 companies coming on graduation day. Moreover parnter companies have to pay as well if they pick a student from N.Fische, thats why the take just top 10% students who have already good experience in Programming or other relative experience already in such Position.  Read less

in late 2021 i attended neue fische's second cohort of the 12-week data analytics bootcamp. here are my observations:

what's nice about it:
- the head coach was lead of data analytics at freenow. he was always able to give practical examples on what role course contents play in practice.
- they provide you with jupyter notebooks which are the main resource. these are well made and still accessible after the course.
- challenging pace
- what you learn might not be super deep into the matter but you consolidate it again and again, hence you fully understand the core concepts
- neue fische staff were friendly and comfortable to work with along the entire journey

what i didn't like:
- in the middle of the 8 weeks of teaching, the head coach was gone for one week of vacation. during that time, he was substituted by three other coaches; in my eyes the substitutes were not adequate for a course that costs 10k€ pp if you pay for it. one lecture was on p-values and it wasn't explained well. seemingly there is too much dependency on the one head coach.
- at times the course felt like behavioural therapy. e.g. in the mornings everyone was to block 30 mins to discuss the protocol of the previous day. these felt inefficient and had me crave asynchronous learning.
- English skills of most neue fische employees were rather average
- while they speak of 12 weeks of course content, only 8 weeks are taught.
- sometimes the time management was off. on the one hand side, we spent nearly a day talking about google forms and ca. 3 days speaking about google sheets. on the other hand side, there was one day for machine learning modules in python like DB Scan. on that day, some jupyter notebooks were dumped on us to "revise after the course".
- they run a career service that informs on CV design etc. while they were always very friendly etc., black on white, they didnt help much. any time i had a question concerning the partners i waited at least 2 days for a reply. i was interested in a position after the end of my bootcamp and my contact person actually stopped replying. i didn't follow up because i had found something, but that behaviour is not what they advertise on their website and during the course.

would i recommend data analytics at neue fische? if u get a bildungsgutschein, go ahead, given the abovementioned pros. if not, i personally wouldn't pay that money for it given the mentioned cons and the broad amount of alternatives. 

there are very well made online courses like data camp etc. that allow you to study at your own pace and that require less commitment than that money + not earning money for 3 months. if you do want to commit yourself and if you do want the BootCamp vibe + network, i'd do Le Wagon which is less expensive (6.5k€ vs. 10k€), they have more experience, a better reputation and more taught content (9 weeks vs 8 weeks). Read less

Interview? Suppose to be one time but end up twice. 1st one was short and not professional. 2nd one - was long but the process more like a real job interview (even from the questions they asked you). 

Curriculum? Comparing other insitutes - only this one will be taught in German. Altough study material will be in English. Program schedule is also not clear as they are only putting some subjects without further details.

Overall? Better to apply to other institute. More international, more assistance, more professional.

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